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By: Dave V (offline)  Thursday, August 09 2012 @ 03:50 PM EDT (Read 7032 times)  

 I went fishing today . More to come . Did not have camera but did have phone. Please Please Please pictures please come out well.   Koda I can't remember what your fly is called but it was  the fly fish had to have today. Lost all 3 of your flies fish took em. One took me to backing and nearly stole my fly line . A quick run down in the water and I was able to get it back. Bad knot from backing to fly line I guess. I had to go to 3x tippet two hogs took my flies on 5x .  On 3x I did manage to land a nice little Brown then a very fat Bow . Wider then my hand is long .  Then a huge fish took my last fly before I could get the line unwrapped from around my foot .  I got to have the recipe. Hook size everything . Please help me out. Them hogs need to be tamed.



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By: T_Bone (offline)  Thursday, August 09 2012 @ 06:13 PM EDT  

Brandon had a similar result fishing that fly in the Connecticut river a few weeks ago.  I sadly was not as fortunate.  But my trustly wooly bugger gave em hell.


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By: Koda (offline)  Thursday, August 09 2012 @ 08:48 PM EDT  

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OUTSTANDING Dave! I was wondering if that particular fly would do well in places other than here abouts. The fly really has no name. It was developed over many years of changing this and that, until one day, it was so consistent I decided to leave it alone. It's kind of a hybrid between a streamer, a wet fly, and a nymph. Oddly, it looks nothing in the water like it does above the surface. Once it gets soaked it looks real "buggy". The herl turns a coppery color, and the turkey turns into what looks like a real bug wing Big Grin

 

I've tied them as small as #12's, and as big as #2's for trolling. For casting size #10 and #8 size hooks seem to do it for the trout. The fly seems to attract rainbows,brookies, browns, and salmon. I would imagine the bigger sizes would get a Laker to pounce on it.

 

So to the fly, and you'll see somewhat of a history on some of the components. Others are a no change simply because that's what the trout wanted Mr. Green

 

Hook: Originally Mustad 9672, again, #12-#2 depending. These days that hook has been replaced with Mustad R74 9672 2XH/4XL IMHO, the new R74 hooks are far superior to the originals.

For some reason, I have a lot better hookups and landing record with the salmon style hooks. Mustad SL53UBL STD/3XL

 

If you stick with tradition on the hooks, cock the barb side of the hook off about 5 degrees with flat nose pliers, and smash the barb down.

 

Thread: Black in whatever size you normally use. I've tried about every other color and black wins hands down.

 

Tail: Optional. Howsomever, on most of my flies on salmon hooks I have 3 strands of crystal flash, 3/4  the length of the hook. When I do, it has a greenish intermittent "light" to it. I swear some days it makes a huge difference.

 

Body: Depending on  the size hook, say a size 8, I'd go with about 5 strands of peacock herl. More on bigger hooks, less on smaller. Tie it in at the tail. Drop a loop of thread just shy of the length of the herl. Grab the herls and the thread with hackle pliers and then hook into the pliers with a shepards hook. Twist  clockwise until you get a nice looking strand. If you go too far you'll snap em off. If too loose the body don't come out right.  I use a rotary vise so I start laying down the assembled strand slowly turning the vise handle while twisting as a I go. If you don't twist as you go the area towards the head gets funky. You want a nice plump body. If you don't weave thread into the strand the fly will come apart after a few trout chew on it.

 

Bib/Throat: CRITICAL! Hot orange and a bright yellow. Strip some of each off a saddle hackle and tie in on the bottom side of the hook. I like to have it about touch the hook point. Yellow first, orange last or to the outside.

 

Wing: The iridescent feathers from the lower part of a Bronze Back Turkey. Only the tips of the feathers have this. There is something about them that puts the trout over the edge. I snip out a section of the feather and kind of roll it. Then place it on top of the hook and lose loop it in place. Once in position tie er down firm.

 

Collar: 3 or 4 turns of a Natural Rhode Island Red Rooster dry fly hackle. I think I tried every other color. The natural does it, the rest don't get it. Don't be afraid to go oversize here. If the tips hit the hook point when laid back wet you have it in spades. For dry flies the head end goes fast. Now you have a use for those bigger feathers.

 

Optional Front Collar: Sometimes in the Winter when I'm doing up the flies I 'll add a front collar of Black Ostrich Herl. On overcast days they seem to key in on the fly better.

 

Form the head and whip finish. Apply head cement. On the salmon hooks I'll go with the glossy Loon's stuff sometimes if I want a little better looking fly. That's just me, the trout don't seem to care.

 

This is a Lee's Family Exclusive. This pattern gets out there and we'll be huntin harder for our trout. Shh


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By: Dave V (offline)  Thursday, August 09 2012 @ 08:58 PM EDT  

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By: Koda (offline)  Thursday, August 09 2012 @ 09:06 PM EDT  

Those are HOGS Dave! Nice looking trout there young man!!! Mr. Quiggly


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By: sebastian (offline)  Thursday, August 09 2012 @ 10:31 PM EDT  

WOOOOHOOO!!!! those are some fat bastards!!! Nice job Dave, you're the man!!!! Koda, that fly looks awesome, I'm gonna tie a few!!!!


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By: Ktbone (offline)  Friday, August 10 2012 @ 12:56 PM EDT  

Dave,

That drought don't seem to have bothered those fat bastards much, nice job!

 

Koda,

Thanks for the recipe, looks to me like a couple of those flies have a floss underbody with a bit of a tag on the middle one, is that just a varrient?  Also have you tied these with a down eye hook? 

 

How are you guys fishing this fly, dead drift or stripping it in?  Upstream or downstream?


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By: Koda (offline)  Friday, August 10 2012 @ 01:56 PM EDT  

 Keith

 

Browns seem to show a strong preference for yellow, hence the tag on that middle fly. With that said, I've caught as many if not more Browns without the tag. But in the game of fly tying and fishing, sometimes it's the littlest thing that seems to turn the tide. The fly as it sits evolved over some 45 years and I doubt you guys will come up with anything I haven't played around with on this fly. But of course take liberties, that's a big part of the fun.

 

I'm inclined to think the fly represents some type of nymph in the water, though for the life of me I'm at a loss of exactly what kind. They usually hit the fly hard, and even in the smaller sizes they seem to get the bigger fish.

 

You guys broke new ground casting this fly. I've always trolled them. In fact, the ones I tied up for the swap were the first casting size ones I ever did because that's what you guys said you wanted.  With that said, most times, a dead drift troll at barely headway speed works like magic, which again suggests they think it's a juicy nymph. A few trips around the pond and no takes (which is very rare) I'll try twitching the rod. Short pull short pull drift. Keep in mind, I've got 90 to 150 feet of fly line in the water so it takes some to move the fly at all.

 

But when they are in that mood to kill the fly when it moves, do hang on to the rod. Once again, suggestive of a nymph as it tries to bail for the surface. I've put down the rod for a few seconds to light my pipe and near lost the entire rod reel and line more than once. In the ponds and lakes they go for the deeps wide open when they know they just ate something they shouldn't have, rainbows especially.

 

Big browns and big brook trout  inhale the fly and then reverse thrust and hold their ground in the ponds and lakes. When I troll solo I run the 12 foot Raddison square stern canoe with a 30 pound thrust electric trolling motor. I've hooked into some big brook trout that stopped the canoe cold. Swore I was stuck on the bottom. But when I looked at the sonar I was over water 30 feet deep and Type III sinking line won't run that deep. That's when you yard up on the rod for all you're worth. And then you feel that raw power, determined not to give an inch. The slow bullish head shake comes next. Right after that don't throw the fly they decide to just move off. Keep in mind the entire fly line is already in the water so there goes the backing. I've had some near empty the reel and I wonder if this is gonna be the one to do it. 

 

Down your way there is a place called Dublin Lake, in Dublin. I had an honest 10 pound Brook Trout on, perhaps even bigger, it was HUGE! The wife went to slip the net under him and he threw the hook. I wanted to cry.  That one as far as I know is still in there as I never heard of anyone taking him. A fish that size would be sure to get press. I did take a lot of 3 to 5 pounders out of that lake on insane size flys in the size 2 hooks that most would use for salmon.

 

The R74 hooks are turned down eye hooks. Do run a Turle knot when using these hooks as it gives a straight pull. When you target the bigger trout, hooks become an important thing. Which is why I drifted to the salmon hooks. Big trout are not like 12 inch brookies.It takes considerable rod power to drive the hook home as their mouths get real tough when they prey on other fish. Running long lines is the rule as the big ones are boat shy by experience. A minimum of a fast action 7 weight is about the low end, and if I'm in water where I know there are big trout I'll go for the 8 weight.

 

I love my UL rods for the brooks, streams, and beaver ponds. But trolling is a different game.Mr. Green


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By: Koda (offline)  Friday, August 10 2012 @ 02:05 PM EDT  

 Dave

 

Don't know if this will work but figured I'd give it a try Big Grin

 

 


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Tool in position to start

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Run the backing or leader in the groove, the heavy end of the leader will be to
 your right and sticking out beyond the tool say 3 inches or so

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Wrap 4 or 5 loops around the groove working them aside each other towards 
the back of the tool.

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Here are 4 loops ready to knot

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Take the tag end and slide it in the groove and through the loops

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Insert the fly line from the right, through the chute and the coils.
Pull gently on the tag end to the right and the coils will slide off onto the fly line

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Snug up on both ends of the backing or leader and the knot will look like this.
( Once the lines are trimmed ) Sometimes you need to position the coils a bit 
as you slowly tighten the knot to make it perfect. For leaders, wet the coils with

saliva.

 

It does appear to have worked Mr. Green  I've never had one separate yet.


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By: Dave V (offline)  Friday, August 10 2012 @ 03:37 PM EDT  

Thanks Koda . this has been the only time in my  short fly fishing life i have had a nail not let go. I can't for the life of me figure that one out. All I know is my line was zinging thru my guides and kept going . The line made a transition sound then I saw my fly line heading down stream . I was able to to make a quick leap and grab it but the fish had parted ways .  I was more upset about losing the fly then the fish at that moment . I retied the nail knot using my nail not tool and gave it a hard tug . It held fine . Still at a loss for why it failed . unless I cut it some how . Maybe the wife did it

 The way I was fishing the fly was basically a strip strip stop let some line back out in the current then held it there for a few seconds then repeated the process. The winds had really picked up making the stream going into the lake like I was in the ocean . Big waves. The fish nailed it almost every time just after the pause and I started stripping it again.

 

 PS thanks for the fly recipe I now have a couple ready to go.  Hoping Mon or Tues is a repeat . I am also hoping the fish have a short memory and hit the fly again so I can get my flies back .



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